Saelan ([info]twoheaded_boy) wrote,
@ 2007-03-07 03:51:00
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Satanic Verses for Neon Bible


Let me begin with a quote from Quinn's review on Streethawk:

Make no mistake, people will listen to this record and some of them will laud it as a massive achievement – "a sophomore triumph that trumps the impossibly lofty heights of their debut LP” – while others will piss all over it, perhaps noting (in case you forgot) that they were witness to "the band's third show ever, opening for the Unicorns (who were then only three strong and playing with a vintage 1980's ghetto blaster) in a loft in Montreal's Mile End district, and they haven't done anything worthwhile since."

An apt assessment! But I'm here to dispute Quinn's follow-up sentence that "the truth lies somewhere in the middle," because that platitude is limp liberalism, and limp liberals are (okay, I'm going out on a limb here) the reason why crap like the Arcade Fire gets lauded as authentic, ambitious, political, and populist when it is in fact shallow, regressive, boring, and false. In other words, I'm here to piss on this album, and I've got some moaning to do, too. These are the days of second-rate simulations, and we're so used to having decayed, third-generation derivatives flashed at us from big screens that even the original versions (i.e. David Byrne) come out in public now, claiming to have seen their own reflection in the black mirror-faces of their bastard children.

My opinion on this record was pretty much decided before it came out, so have to admit that I haven't given it a fair shake. Neither do I intend to. It's got all the praise it needs already and vastly more than it deserves. So, without pretending to any fair, in-depth, or objective analysis, I simply want to come out against the concensus and let my nay be heard. I did not like the Arcade Fire when I first heard them, though I did on several occasions stand up for them against a few folks bent on dismissing indie-rock wholesale. When an acquaintance professed a taste for them, early on, though, I was surprised. "Kinda schmaltzy, aren't they?" I said. I was not impressed by their live show (first time headlining in Vancouver and they sold out the Commodore! first headlining tour, a thousand hands aloft!) and I was shocked by the crowd's undeniably powerful response (I rarely see people so captivated at shows of long-stablished bands, let along brand-new ones). So now they've got a new album, it's a double helping of the same kitschy melodrama I didn't like the first time, and it's frosted with a sticky black glaze of doomy goth religiosity. Whether their fans admit it or not, The Arcade Fire is now basically Evanescence for people who read McSweeney's.

Which brings me to their appropriation of Springsteen's desperate-man blues (shot, admittedly, through a Guy Maddin lens). Like The Killers before them (who were less successful at actually sounding something like The Boss), they seem to be gunning hard for artistic maturity and respectability by grasping at the most cliched signifiers of earnest struggle and populist identification. The thing is, they're just empty signs, flourescent labels screaming "THIS IS AUTHENTIC". Structurally, the songs remain dishearteningly uninteresting - as with the debut, basic melodies are rendered grandiose by having them pounded out on eight instruments at a time. That this manages to sustain comparisons with such great innovators in rhythmic density and exploratory production techniques like the Talking Heads (with David Byrne's approval!) should lead every right-thinking music fan to question their press. Has anyone listened to Remain In Light lately? And what of the Arcade Fire's purported sincerity? Their heart-on-sleeve emotionalism? Should we be touched, moved? When every song recruits a gargantan church organ to swell Win Butler's high school poetry to apocalyptic proportions (“mirror, mirror / on the wall / show me where the / bombs will fall”)? I say, stop touching me. This music is manipulative, and in the age of Terror, the last thing we need is more theater, more Rapture, more reduction of discourse to cliche and hyperbole. If they appeal to Masses, they do it the same way Bush does: by reducing content to a parody and appealing to their audience's most primary fears and insecurities. This is music-as-spectacle when we need the opposite. That it parades as engaged and intelligent (much like the teacher's pets in The Decemberists, who confuse knowing a lot of quaint antique words with being smart, and congratulate themselves by dressing in period costume and acting out their cultural-superiority fantasies in glorious self-absorption) makes it all the worse. Of course, this is faintly ludicrous coming from an obviously inveterate snob like me.

Yes, I'm a snob. Yes, it's far cooler for me to hate this than like it. So I'm not challenging myself, either. And my whole rhetoric of taste is based on a dismissal of the popular mainsteam, so it's a little rich for me to be taking the Arcade Fire to task for aestheticizing politics. I just feel like people deserve better.



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[info]motorbike
2007-03-07 12:09 pm UTC (link)
The Arcade Fire is now basically Evanescence for people who read McSweeney's.

That right there is a fine fine burn.

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[info]badspelling
2007-03-07 04:24 pm UTC (link)
The Arcade who?

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[info]badspelling
2007-03-07 04:28 pm UTC (link)
oh and you want authentic then try this.

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[info]twoheaded_boy
2007-03-07 08:53 pm UTC (link)
word to that.

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[info]warfordium
2007-03-07 04:42 pm UTC (link)
I cannot dispute that you dont like them, on a fundamental level.

Here's a devil's advocate question though; why listen to Springsteen or the Talking Heads 20 years on, if all its going to do is make you see everything as a third rate copy through jaded eyes?

As for music-as-spectacle, I think you'll have to agree that the Arcade Fire have opened more hearts (or certainly not less) to some sort of humanistic thoughts about other people's feelings than countless basement vegan straight-edge punks. The sloppy, original politicos have had 20 years to get us all off hamburgers, materialism, and SUVs, and haven't they just done a bang-up job?

Of course, from my perspective, if you're going to head into the dubious territory of music having some implication on the state of social justice or man's inhumanity to man or whatever (a counter-Bush effect, say, and stop me if I'm coming away with the wrong impression from the end there), then the music snob in you is going to have to give way to some sort of accessibility and melodrama. Overblown sophomore melodies with a church organ? Probably a sad necessity. We're not all blessed with the time or economic status to dig through what must be hundreds of seminal records either, so slow before you chastize the common man who gets weepy at "Ocean of Noise" for forgetting about Nebraska or Stop Making Sense, let alone anything more obscure.

On a constructive criticism note, boy are you right about the Decemberists. I like to say that they're the worst combination of a thesaurus, a mirror, and being white that I've ever been bored by.

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[info]twoheaded_boy
2007-03-07 09:03 pm UTC (link)
yeah, i know i'm being unfair. what i think i didn't make clear is that i don't really like springsteen, either.

and i don't really expect pop music to actually have a major effect on people's opinions or convictions (usually, at best, it just reflects them - and the major dilemma of any avant-garde or progressive art of the last century is that pretty much all of it has failed to deliver on its promises of changing the world), but I think that, as a matter of taste, I prefer music that aesthetically reflects some awareness of its own artistic and political situation. Or at least, if it tries to reference the state of the world or music's place in it, manages to not be too reductive about it. Largely, I just find Win Butler's lyrics irritating because they're dumb.

And it's not like I think ALL music now is just a bad copy of music that came before. I think a lot of artists are doing great things. One of the reasons I like Destroyer so much is that his songs are really aware (and kind of melancholy about) how its no longer possible to make a certain kind of music the way it was made 20 or 30 years ago, because of how (sub)culture has changed, and he implicates himself in the good and bad sides of that. He's really aware of what he's doing, and I think that's a really necessary quality these days, and one that's absent from a great deal of contemporary music.

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[info]anticlimacus
2007-03-07 07:02 pm UTC (link)
While my own response to Neon Bible has been a resounding "meh," I have to say your passionate dismissal seems much more appealing...

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[info]vertigomorts
2007-03-07 08:58 pm UTC (link)
You're on a dangerous path. Pretty soon all you will have left is Carcass and the Beatles and you'll be forced to start making your own music.

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[info]twoheaded_boy
2007-03-07 09:04 pm UTC (link)
ha! but what will I do when my own music sucks?

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(no subject) - [info]grahamshem, 2007-03-08 12:04 am UTC
shocked.
[info]blacktshirt
2007-03-07 11:00 pm UTC (link)
saelan. you are awesome.

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Re: oh wait... - [info]twoheaded_boy, 2007-03-08 12:06 am UTC
Re: oh wait... - [info]vertigomorts, 2007-03-08 01:01 am UTC
Re: oh wait... - [info]twoheaded_boy, 2007-03-08 01:04 am UTC
Re: oh wait... - [info]vertigomorts, 2007-03-08 01:15 am UTC

[info]kid_eh
2007-03-08 10:00 am UTC (link)
I suppose I should defend myself somewhat (not that I feel like this is an affront or anything, but for the sake of discussion)...

"you make a salient point regarding being able to reflect a situation. i'm having a hard time coming to grips with knowing music history and how you can reflect the difficulties of writing songs anymore"

I think this is a really important point, because I really think this is coming down to what you do or don't know, or more precisely, what you have and have not been exposed to.

Because you've immersed yourself in - for lack of a better term - "rock," you can say that the Arcade Fire is making shallow music: the lyrics are second rate versions of what came before them and the three chords and too many instruments approach to song structure just does a shitty job of hiding the three chords.

But a couple of months ago you lauded Jeezy and TI, who, lyrically, are doing what Scarface/Cube/Jay/etc did before, but not nearly as well. Hell, TI's even ripping of himself. At the same time they're rapping over the same production that everyone else (who can afford it) is using. And even if they are getting the best beats of the bunch, at their core, they're still some 4/4 drum samples with some synth or horn samples thrown over top.

I happen to like both MCs, but if you find them affecting, you're just getting hit in the gut... the same response that the AF are going for.

The thing is, that's what all great pop music does (whether it's trying to or not). You can certainly be cerebral in 3-minutes, and you can certainly turn that 3-minutes into song, but you're not going to be cerebral in a 3-minute pop song. How can you bemoan music-as-spectacle? That's exactly what music is.

And what about sincerity? Can you really say Win Butler isn't being sincere? If that's what's bleeding from inside him it makes him a total smaltz, but I don't know how you can judge whether someone is being real or not. In hindsight, how real are the Who, or Dylan, or even Springsteen, now that they're high priced entertainment for middle-aged, hippy washout, baby boomers?

And what exactly makes Destroyer all that much better? Because he's lost any sort of naivety about what his role as a singer is "supposed" to be? So instead of music that embraces the idea that rock n roll can be something other than a spectacle, we get this woe-is-me, post-modern, self-reflective bullshit. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love Bejar's woe-is-me, post-modern, self-reflective bullshit. But if we're calling spades spades...

I congratulate Dan for being aware, and thus reflecting reality. But while he's succeeded in not being music for the sake of escapism, he's just music for culture snobs.

There's certainly something naive - and depending on your perspective, 50 plus years after the advent of rock n roll, pathetic - about trying to reach the masses, but there's something rather elitist about turning your back on them. Alternately, from a rock as social vehicle perspective there's something very cowardly about turning inward. Either way, at the end of the day, even though Win Butler can be overwrought and cliche, I think I'd still rather hear a somewhat nonsensical song about ghettos and where cars can or cannot go than Bill Callahan or Will Oldham creak about riding trains or watching horses or drunk women they dated.

I agree with a lot of the points you made, but I really think you could apply the same sorts of criticisms to almost anyone.

And as an aside, while I'd rather be hit in the face than listen to the latest Decemberists record, the only difference between Joanna Newsom and Colin Meloy is that the former apes British folk instead of Americana, has a slightly more annoying voice, and she uses a harp (quirky!) to make the same 4-5 chord songs... and lately refuses to cut them off at a merciful length of time, like 8-minutes. I mean, I quite like Joanna, but two of the first four words on Ys are "meadowlark" and "chimchiree," she sings about personified bears and lands of fancy, and no matter what she says about where she gets her clothes, she dresses like an elf. I too enjoy that more than dressing like pirates and singing about bicycles. But from an objective standpoint, it's not like one is better than the other.

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[info]twoheaded_boy
2007-03-08 10:35 am UTC (link)
About Young Jeezy: yeah, I find him compelling and he hits me in the gut. I wouldn't claim any "quality" for him exactly, but I'm fascinating by how effective he is as spectacle. At least on the first album. By The Inspiration he'd already run out of tricks. I imagine he'll end up as an interesting footnote. I don't recall ever praising T.I. I've never listened to all of King and his verse on "My Love" is really pretty weak.

Anyway, I think you've got a good point about pop music being effective because it hits you in the gut and not the head, but I also think its hard to separate the two. Take the two Louise Lawler photos I posted last night: they hit me in the gut, but I know her history, I know why these photos are a departure for her, I know what they reference and what they mean, in context. I was moved immediately when I saw them and I think they're well-composed enough to give anyway an aesthetic flutter. Further investigation only deepens the value, and the enigmatic aspects encourage further investigation. It's the same with music. The Arcade Fire might blow you away with sheer bombast, but what remains after the twelfth listen? How many times can you be satisfied with "mirror mirror on the wall/tell me when the bombs will fall"?

About Destroyer: if we call spades spades then, sure, you're right. I just happen to be a culture snob, so he hits me right in my house. Maybe he'll last and mean something to people who aren't culture snobs from Vancouver twenty years down the road, maybe not.

But I'm listening to Caetano Veloso right now and there's no doubt that the man is simply deep, his struggles were immense and inspiring, and over forty years now, he's kept up a remarkable standard of quality. Unlike Dylan, I don't know that Veloso has ever put out a really embarassing album. And both of them still look a hundred times better than The Who or Springsteen (though I've never been a big fan of either of the latter, so maybe I'm not the best judge).

So, can I say with any authority that Win Butler does or does not believe in what he's singing? Of course not. But I do feel like he's really working hard to persuade me that he's in earnest, and that turns me off. Sincerity shouldn't have to advertise itself.

Being an elitist by temperament is hard. I say I want better music for the masses, but I can't be cool unless I separate myself from the masses somehow. I could say that I'm against dumbing down because, ideally, everyone should have a thorough education in culture and I believe in challenging art, but am I being honest? Maybe I just want to look smarter than everybody else. This is a serious problem for me and I don't have any solution for it as yet. Nobody wants to be a hypocrite.

Lastly, Joanna is a milion times better than the Decemberists. End of story. She wears costumes, and she's silly as shit, but she's one of the best songwriters we have. I think her first album is better, but I like that she went out on a limb and took a lot of risks woth Ys. I think she's got a lot more genius. The decemberists are all costume, and they get lacier everytime. There's self-indulgence that reaps rewards for everyone and there's self-indulgence that just makes a mess and leaves you embarassed and that's all I have to say about that.

Also, as you're probably aware, I prefer Smog and Will Oldham to most things, let alone the Arcade Fire. I sent some interview questions to Bill Callahan this afternoon. I think his new album is solid gold. But liking things is easy to do. Everybody does it.

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